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My 14 U Son's Swing
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Matthew Roshkow



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08 Feb 2018 09:18 AM
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I post this not in the spirit of getting free hitting advice -- tho I'm always open to good advice -- but in a sort of desperate attempt to sort out the insane damage that my son's first hitting instructor dealt to his swing and ultimately his confidence. Guy was stone cold down and through, hands straight to the ball, Power V at contact, the whole nine yards. My son was 12 at the time. I took him away from that instructor as one might extricate a helpless teenager from a cult. Then spent two years researching the swing and came to believe everything that Chris spells out on his site, using as my ultimate barometer of truth Chris' dictum of "trust only what you can see." (Actually not sure if that is Chris or Nyman but you get the point). The truth is undeniable. Nobody who get s a paycheck from playing baseball -- at least on a steady basis -- swings a bat the way my son was taught. I know now without a doubt that the fundamental tenants of PCR have underwritten every great baseball swing back to the Stone Age. Case closed. My son is 14 and knows this too but the old muscle memory lingers in the sense that he begins his rotation but DOES NOT TRUST HIS TURN to make contact. Mid-turn the arms/hands come flying out and down in a frantic attempt to meet the ball. The turn becomes a push. He can do the swing perfectly on a tee but live it unravels time and time again to the point where he was almost in tears in our last cage session. Has anyone suffered a similar process? Any advice for a desperate dad and an even more desperate son?

Chris, keep up the amazing, game-changing work.

P.S., New to the forum so don't know if I can attach video or not.

Thanks in advance,

Matt

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08 Feb 2018 10:07 AM
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I'm kind of new to teaching this, but my initial thought is to have him hit A LOT of cage time doing the George Brett or Buster Posey drills. I think that would help him get the feel for using those mechanics with live balls. My son has really struggled with bat drag, and it seemed that no matter what we did on the tee, it was not translating to live balls in the cage. This winter we have done a couple of things: 1- we did 100 George Brett drill swings almost every day until we had done at least 1000 swings that way; 2- we moved to doing another 1000 GB drill swings with either soft toss or off a machine to get used to doing it with moving balls. He still has many struggles, but I am noticing that he is now started to default to that position with the bat coming to the side of his shoulder, even when his coach tells him to do something stupid, like to get his hands up way too high and to drop his elbows while waiting for the pitch.

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08 Feb 2018 10:20 AM
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Thanks so much, Tyler. Are those drills on Chris' site?

Matthew Roshkow



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08 Feb 2018 10:29 AM
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Never mind. Just found it. GREAT DRILL. Will def try it.

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16 Feb 2018 09:10 PM
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Sorry for the delay, been dealing with something.


[quote]Posted By Matthew Roshkow on 08 Feb 2018 09:18 AM
I post this not in the spirit of getting free hitting advice -- tho I'm always open to good advice -- but in a sort of desperate attempt to sort out the insane damage that my son's first hitting instructor dealt to his swing and ultimately his confidence. Guy was stone cold down and through, hands straight to the ball, Power V at contact, the whole nine yards. My son was 12 at the time. I took him away from that instructor as one might extricate a helpless teenager from a cult. Then spent two years researching the swing and came to believe everything that Chris spells out on his site, using as my ultimate barometer of truth Chris' dictum of "trust only what you can see." (Actually not sure if that is Chris or Nyman but you get the point).[/quote]

Technically, that's Mark Hanson's principle, going back 10+ years.


[quote]The truth is undeniable. Nobody who get s a paycheck from playing baseball -- at least on a steady basis -- swings a bat the way my son was taught. I know now without a doubt that the fundamental tenants of PCR have underwritten every great baseball swing back to the Stone Age. Case closed. My son is 14 and knows this too but the old muscle memory lingers in the sense that he begins his rotation but DOES NOT TRUST HIS TURN to make contact. Mid-turn the arms/hands come flying out and down in a frantic attempt to meet the ball. The turn becomes a push. He can do the swing perfectly on a tee but live it unravels time and time again to the point where he was almost in tears in our last cage session. Has anyone suffered a similar process? Any advice for a desperate dad and an even more desperate son?[/quote]

Only thing I'd add is it could also be a problem with Adjustability, where he's dropping his hands instead of adjusting efficiently.

Matthew Roshkow



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16 Feb 2018 09:18 PM
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Thank you. You mean reaching instead of tilting?

Chris O'Leary



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16 Feb 2018 09:48 PM
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Posted By Matthew Roshkow on 16 Feb 2018 09:18 PM
Thank you. You mean reaching instead of tilting?
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Yes.

But I also use the term Dive to describe the right movement, in part because many use it as a perjorative.

It also struck me that some of this could be a problem with his Approach; that he's swinging at hard to hit strikes before he has to.

He needs to learn to Hunt Up, as Pham did.

http://clients.chrisoleary.com/Hitt...Tommy-Pham

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16 Feb 2018 10:13 PM
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Yes I read the Pham sections very carefully and a number of times. Really outstanding work on your part. I think you are absolutely right. He seems to be always reaching for the ball out front rather than hitting more on the side of his body. How does Hunt Up tie in with PCR?

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16 Feb 2018 10:29 PM
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Sorry one last thing. But this is HUGE for my son. He is trying to transition from dropping his leg kick to a more Ted Williams-like stride and his instructor had him coiling then striding. Something seemed off. Then I read this tonight:

1. Coil AS You Stride

You were coiling too early. You were coiling THEN striding. You need to coil AS you stride. As Ted Williams says on page 45...

You are cocking your hips AS you stride, and it's so important to get that right."

That's a big one right there.
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